Friday, August 19, 2011

Question 4 Love or pathological lust? Part 1

Consider both novels. What do you notice about the treatment of women? The characterization of women? Or the omission of women? What might it suggest or signify in either novel?

In the novel "On The Road", women are treated as toys in some senses . Holistically, women are being "used" in the sense that most men only want them for physical purposes rather than for an actual relationship. Throughout the reading it is evident that the marriages usually have one person who is overcommitted to the relationship more than the other party. In this novel, women are more committed to the relationship then men; may i remind you that I said most. In some caes in the novel, the situation is flipped. The women are also very passive, usually the ones who have affairs with multiple men. Examples being Marylou, Lucille, Lee Ann and Camille. They do not realize they are being played by Dean, Sal, and Remi at the same time until the truth comes out later; but when it does they seem to be so open to the affairs as if they do not care that Dean or Sal have slept with other women.

Are the women in this novel, who are so passive, have a really deep or really shallow emotional connection to the men they have affairs with? This question has been lingering in my head and I can not seem to figure this out. The fact that the women will go through all this trouble to sleep with a person and then take physical and mental abuse shortly after; for me it is hard to determine where these women stand. The women in this novel signify a good time while traveling from city to city; but sometimes its more than that. More than the other party can handle. "Then I knew I loved her so much I wanted to kill her...I ran to Ed Dunkel; he's back in Frisco with Galatea; I asked him about a guy we know has a gun, I went to the guy, got the gun, I ran to Marylou...I barged in, she was alone-and I gave her the gun and told her to kill me...I asked her for a sweet dead pact. She didn't want. I said one of us has to die."(185).Now some people may be able to come up with a plausible reason as to why this is wrong, but I am standing on this. The fact that we already knew Dean had an obsession with women that was worse then most predicted, and he had multiple affairs at the same time only adds to the fact that he was a maniac who did not care. The fact that he "loves" someone so much that he is willing to kill them and or himself? Is this a reenactment of Romeo and Juliet in a sense? Is this even love or is this pathological lust? In this novel that seems to be the main issue with every relationship involved; being able to define it. And if they continue to go through these issues so passively, they will never change.


If people could please comment on this post and the questions I raised as I would like to get multiple opinions that would help me define the relationships involved in the novel, On The Road. Thank you

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

I also thought that Dean liked when women didn't really put input in the relationship but they were loyal to him. I thought Dean seemed like he wanted to keep women in "their place", for example Dean says," Dig her? Dig her, man? That's Inez. See, thats all she does, she pokes her head in the door and smiles."(250) As if he wants to control her while keeping her happy. She doesn't speak, and that's what Dean wants.

Chavon Hampton said...

I agreee with both of you, because Dean feels like he's the alpha male. He wants control over all these women, so therefore he goes for the weak ones who won't say anything or voice their opinions. The women are feeding into exactly what Dean wants when they sit back and let him take their voice, so it isn't completely his fault, because the women sit back and let it happen.

Brad said...

So from your eyes, is Dean the one who is overcommitted when he goes to extremes to sleep with multiple at the same time; or is it the women he has affairs with who are just being passive?

Chloe said...

The women are looking for the same satisfaction as he is. I don't think Dean is overcommitted to the women---the only responsibility he takes up is sending the bare minimum to his kids to keep himself out of jail. He loves the idea of them, and throughout the book you're never sure whether he gets what he wants out of them; as in, is he after so many women because he's addicted to them and the more the better or is it that he's never completely satisfied? Also, what's with all the women in the book only being called either beautiful or whores?

Brad said...

Chloe, good analysis. I would say that the reason for the women being classified as beautiful or whores is because there is no other way to classify them. The men in the 1950's did not look at women as ugly or somewhat good looking, or anything like that. There was no grey area. It was either one or the other. Unfortunately the women where only percived as whores or beatiful people

ave.P said...

Yes i agree, Inez is a great example of the kind of women Dean enjoys, probably because its much easier to cheat and lie to passive women than to more aggressive ones. He never really commits, ever.

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